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Post by Popov Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:33 am

Fact or fiction?
Mar 10th 2007
From Economist.com


Wikipedia's wide variety of contributors is both a strength and a weakness of the online encyclopedia


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The idea of an encyclopedia—a compendium of all the best available knowledge—is as tempting as it is flawed. Truth does not always come in bite-sized chunks. And the notion of an infinitely elastic internet encyclopedia, always up to date and distilling the collective wisdom of the wired is even more tempting. When open to all comers, anonymously, the problems are even more glaring.

This week a senior Wikipedia editor, who used the pseudonym Essjay, turned out not to be a professor of religious studies as he claimed, but in fact a 24-year-old college drop-out. That has highlighted both the strengths and the failings of the world’s biggest online encyclopedia, which now boasts well over 1.5m articles. The “Encyclopedia Britannica”, by contrast, has a mere 120,000.

Essjay (or Ryan Jordan in real life), got away with his pretence because Wikipedians jealously preserve their anonymity. With most entries, anyone can edit without even logging in; or they can create an entirely fictitious online identity before doing so. The effect is rather like an online role-playing game. Indeed, it is easy to imagine some sad fellow spending the morning pretending to be a polyglot professor on Wikipedia, and then becoming a buxom red-head on “Second Life”, a virtual online world, in the afternoon.

That anonymity creates a phoney equality, which puts cranks and experts on the same footing. The same egalitarian approach starts off by regarding all sources as equal, regardless of merit. If a peer-reviewed journal says one thing and a non-specialist newspaper report another, the Wikipedia entry is likely solemnly to cite them both, saying that the truth is disputed. If the cranky believe the latter and the experts the former, the result will be wearisome online editing wars before something approaching the academic mainstream consensus gains the weight it should.

Wikipedia has strengths too, chiefly the resilient power of collective common sense. It benefits from the volunteer efforts of many thousands of outside contributors and editors. If one drops out, another fills his place. People are vigilant on issues that interest them. When mistakes happen, they are usually resolved quickly. This correspondent’s modest Wikipedia entry was edited this week by an anonymous contributor who posted a series of entertaining but defamatory remarks; a mere four minutes later, another user had removed them.

Constant scrutiny and editing means even the worst articles are gradually getting better, while the best ones are kept nicely polished and up to date. Someone, eventually, will spot even the tiniest error, or tighten a patch of sloppy prose. Mr Jordan, for all his bragging, seems to have been a scrupulous and effective editor.

The most tiresome contributors do get banned eventually, though they can always log in under a new identity. Other shortcomings are the subject of earnest internal debate too, such as Wikipedia’s inherent bias towards trivial recent events rather than important historical ones. That is already changing, slowly, though subjects of interest to northern white computer-literate males are over-covered, while others are laughably neglected.

Wikipedia is the biggest collaborative online encyclopedia, but not the only one. Citizendium, supposedly launching soon, aims to be like Wikipedia but without anonymity, and with more weight given to recognised experts. Conservapedia aims to offer a version of the truth untainted by Wikipedia’s moonbat secular bias on issues such as evolution.

So how useful is Wikipedia? Entries on uncontentious issues—logarithms, for example—are often admirable. The quality of writing is often a good guide to an entry’s usefulness: inelegant or ranting prose usually reflects muddled thoughts and incomplete information. A regular user soon gets a feel for what to trust.

Those on contentious issues are useful in a different way. The information may be only roughly balanced. But the furiously contested entries on, say, “Armenian genocide” or “Scientology”, and their attached discussion pages, do give the reader an useful idea about the contours of the arguments, and the conflicting sources and approaches. In short: it would be unwise to rely on Wikipedia as the final word, but it can be an excellent jumping off point.
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Post by this worm wine Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:09 am

Y'know, speaking of Wikipedia, theres a new site that was launched to combat what some people see as an anti american, anti christian bias on wikipedia.
Its called http://www.conservapedia.com/
Check it out, I can imagine many people from this site would make good contributors to it.

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Post by old goat Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:52 am

The strength and weakness of Wikipedia is that anyone can contribute, and it makes it tough to know facts. Its a pretty good resource for a start. I will check out the conservapedia site. Sounds interesting.
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Post by Popov Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:12 am

old goat wrote:The strength and weakness of Wikipedia is that anyone can contribute, and it makes it tough to know facts. Its a pretty good resource for a start. I will check out the conservapedia site. Sounds interesting.

i often use it for research of all kinds, recreational, professional, scientific etc not as a source in itself, but as a starting grounds - it often has a basic roughly accurate overview that helps you get the big picture on a topic and more importantly it often has links to credible sources at the bottom of the page
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Post by GD2GO Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:46 pm

Using wiki for enlightenment about a subject is the same as asking all the bus boys in a popular high brow restaurant how to make the Lobster Thermidor.


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Post by biopiracy Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:37 pm

Rt. DisHon. Paul Edgar Cuntface Philippe Martin

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Martin&oldid=37593929

The Wrong Dishonourable Paul Edgar Cuntface Philippe Martin, PC, unemployed,

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Post by Joahob Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:31 pm

Wikipedia always has links at the bottom of its articles, so you can usually find other articles and sources that you might not find in a general web search.

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Post by submarinepainter Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:31 am

i use it , it does have some good stuff, i noticed that often it will have a disclaimer if something isn't backed up
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Post by KSigMason Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:30 pm

I use wikipedia as a tool to find other sources or ideas. I don't necessarily use it as a solid source.
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Post by Buzzy Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:02 pm

Definitions with possible agendas, whats not to like Shocked

It's hard to ignore it though and it's sometimes the starting point for a search on something. I do object to those who link to it like it's the set in stone definition though.
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