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Post by Reform Canada Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:47 pm

http://tinyurl.com/2j63qw

This proves the left has been lying about Green House Gases for political gain. Please post the links to this video anywhere you like to post on the net. The truth must get out. The environment is the last issue that the communists can hide behind and they must be exposed for the frauds they are.

It's also on Usenet. If you have a newsreader that supports .nzb files and Usenet access with binaries you can find it here:

http://tinyurl.com/2otvoa

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Post by biopiracy Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:59 am

There's a lot of lies like why doesn't al Gore want cameras present when he gives speaches? So he can't be exposed for fraud!

I rant about it more here. But we are being conned. With the lamest of evidence.
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Post by biopiracy Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:01 pm

There's a lot of lies like why doesn't al Gore want camears when he gives speaches, so he can't be exposed for fraud.



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Post by Popov Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:13 am

eh? what? what r you people talking about

it would seem like you believe this is a big conspiracy by the left to destroy you or something

co2 is a real problem, global warming is a real problem, did you disregard the report released by the IPCC in february? the one that took three years and thousands of scientists to make ? what about the report released last week?


BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- The world faces increased hunger and water shortages in the poorest countries, massive floods and avalanches in Asia, and species extinction unless nations adapt to climate change and halt its progress, according to a report approved Friday by an international conference on global warming.

Agreement came after an all-night session during which key sections were deleted from the draft and scientists angrily confronted government negotiators who they feared were watering down their findings.

"It has been a complex exercise," said Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Several scientists objected to the editing of the final draft by government negotiators but, in the end, agreed to compromises. However, some scientists vowed never to take part in the process again.

Five days of negotiations reached a climax when the delegates removed parts of a key chart highlighting devastating effects of climate change that kick in with every rise of 1.8 degrees, and in a tussle over the level of scientific reliability attached to key statements.

There was little doubt about the science, which was based on 29,000 sets of data, much of it collected in the last five years. "For the first time we are not just arm-waving with models," Martin Perry, who conducted the grueling negotiations, told reporters.

The United States, China and Saudi Arabia raised many of the objections to the phrasing, often seeking to tone down the certainty of some of the more dire projections.

The final IPCC report is the clearest and most comprehensive scientific statement to date on the impact of global warming mainly caused by man-induced carbon dioxide pollution.

"The poorest of the poor in the world -- and this includes poor people in prosperous societies -- are going to be the worst hit," Pachauri said. "People who are poor are least able to adapt to climate change."

The report said up to 30 percent of species face an increased risk of vanishing if global temperatures rise 3.6 degrees above the average in the 1980s and 1990s.

Areas in drought will become even more dry, adding to the risks of hunger and disease, it said. The world will face heightened threats of flooding, severe storms and the erosion of coastlines.

"This is a glimpse into an apocalyptic future," the Greenpeace environmental group said of the final report.

Without action to curb carbon emissions, man's livable habitat will shrink starkly, said Stephen Schneider, a Stanford scientist who was one of the authors. "Don't be poor in a hot country, don't live in hurricane alley, watch out about being on the coasts or in the Arctic, and it's a bad idea to be on high mountains with glaciers melting."

"We can fix this," by investing a small part of the world's economic growth rate, said Schneider. "It's trillions of dollars, but it's a very trivial thing."

Negotiators pored over the 21-page draft meant to be a policy guide for governments. The summary pares down the full 1,572-page scientific assessment of the evidence of climate change so far, and the impact it will have on the Earth's most vulnerable people and ecosystems.

More than 120 nations attended the meeting. Each word was approved by consensus, and any change had to be approved by the scientists who drew up that section of the report.

Parry denied the hard-fought editing process resulted in a watered-down version, but acknowledged that "certain messages were lost."

At one point early Friday, it looked like the report "was not going to be accepted. It was very, very close to that point," said David Karoly, one of the scientific authors from the University of Oklahoma.

Though weakened by the deletion of some elements, the final report "will send a very, very clear signal" to governments, said Yvo de Boer, the U.N.'s top climate official.

The summary will be presented to the G8 summit of the world's richest nations in June, when the European Union is expected to renew appeals to President Bush to join in international efforts to control emissions of fossil fuels.

This year's series of reports by the IPCC were the first in six years from the prestigious body of 2,500 scientists, formed in 1988. Public awareness of climate change gave the IPCC's work unaccustomed importance and fueled the intensity of the closed-door negotiations during the five-day meeting.

"The urgency of this report prepared by the world's top scientists should be matched by an equally urgent response from governments," said Hans Verolme, director of the global climate change program of the World Wide Fund for Nature.

At the final session, the conference snagged over a sentence that said the impact of climate change already were being observed on every continent and in most oceans.

"There is very high confidence that many natural systems are being affected by regional climate changes, particularly temperature increases," said the statement on the first page of text.

But China insisted on striking the word "very," injecting doubt into what the scientists argued were indisputable observations. The report's three authors refused to go along with the change, resulting in an hours-long deadlock that was broken by a U.S. compromise to delete any reference to confidence levels.

It is the second of four reports from the IPCC this year; the first report in February laid out the scientific case for how global warming is happening. This second report is the "so what" report, explaining what the effects of global warming will be.

For the first time, the scientists broke down their predictions into regions, and forecast that climate change will affect billions of people.

North America will experience more severe storms with human and economic loss, and cultural and social disruptions. It can expect more hurricanes, floods, droughts, heat waves and wildfires, it said. Coasts will be swamped by rising sea levels. In the short term, crop yields may increase by 5 percent to 20 percent from a longer growing season, but will plummet if temperatures rise by 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit. (Watch a worst-case scenario for U.S. cities Video)

Africa will be hardest hit. By 2020, up to 250 million people are likely to be exposed to water shortages. In some countries, food production could fall by half, it said.

Parts of Asia are threatened with massive flooding and avalanches from melting Himalayan glaciers. Europe also will see its Alpine glaciers disappear. Australia's Great Barrier Reef will lose much of its coral to bleaching from even moderate increases in sea temperatures, the report said.

Separately, an independent organization that keeps tabs on glacial melting in Austria's Alps said its latest survey confirms that the ice sheets continue to shrink significantly and predicted most will vanish by the end of the century.

The Austrian Alpine Association said experts measured 105 of Austria's 925 glaciers last year and found they had receded by an average of 52 1/2 feet, with one of the sheets shrinking a dramatic 262 feet during 2006. (Watch how the effects of climate change could hurt the Great Barrier Reef Video)

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Post by biopiracy Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:35 pm

Popov wrote:eh? what? what r you people talking about

it would seem like you believe this is a big conspiracy by the left to destroy you or something

co2 is a real problem, global warming is a real problem, did you disregard the report released by the IPCC in february? the one that took three years and thousands of scientists to make ? what about the report released last week?

If co2 is a problem why is Al Gore running up 30k electrical bills?

Why is he lying about how much the sea level will go up?


He says 20 feet when Ipcc says 17 inches or so and guess what it's always gone up 1 foot every hundred years. In the 1800's did they have SUV's. Is it wirth it to bankrupt Canada for 5 inches of water?

Why is he lying about the middle ages warm period?

When it was warmer then than now vikings could farm in what is now permafrost, you had vinyards in england where its too cold, did the tower of london flood 1000 yrs ago? No!

Why is he lying that the polar bears are drowning. I still have snow in my yard and while there are polar bears in this province I doubt the .8 degrees if it happens will make the ice melt 1 day earlier in spring. Will 1 day kill them. Anyway the number of bears has gone up 25%.

I mean the whole hockey stick thing has been debunked the goof mann doesn't release data.

How bout if I say to you I know you owe me 10,000 rubles. you say you want proof and I submit to you mann never submitted any because people might think he's wrong. Like WTF.

If global warming was true why so many lies?


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Post by biopiracy Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:36 pm

Popov wrote:eh? what? what r you people talking about

it would seem like you believe this is a big conspiracy by the left to destroy you or something

co2 is a real problem, global warming is a real problem, did you disregard the report released by the IPCC in february? the one that took three years and thousands of scientists to make ? what about the report released last week?

If co2 is a problem why is Al Gore running up 30k electrical bills?

Why is he lying about how much the sea level will go up?


He says 20 feet when Ipcc says 17 inches or so and guess what it's always gone up 1 foot every hundred years. In the 1800's did they have SUV's. Is it wirth it to bankrupt Canada for 5 inches of water?

Why is he lying about the middle ages warm period?

When it was warmer then than now vikings could farm in what is now permafrost, you had vinyards in england where its too cold, did the tower of london flood 1000 yrs ago? No!

Why is he lying that the polar bears are drowning. I still have snow in my yard and while there are polar bears in this province I doubt the .8 degrees if it happens will make the ice melt 1 day earlier in spring. Will 1 day kill them. Anyway the number of bears has gone up 25%.

I mean the whole hockey stick thing has been debunked the goof mann doesn't release data.

How bout if I say to you I know you owe me 10,000 rubles. you say you want proof and I submit to you mann never submitted any because people might think he's wrong. Like WTF.

If global warming was true why so many lies?


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Post by Popov Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:28 pm

biopiracy wrote:
Popov wrote:eh? what? what r you people talking about

it would seem like you believe this is a big conspiracy by the left to destroy you or something

co2 is a real problem, global warming is a real problem, did you disregard the report released by the IPCC in february? the one that took three years and thousands of scientists to make ? what about the report released last week?

If co2 is a problem why is Al Gore running up 30k electrical bills?

Why is he lying about how much the sea level will go up?


He says 20 feet when Ipcc says 17 inches or so and guess what it's always gone up 1 foot every hundred years. In the 1800's did they have SUV's. Is it wirth it to bankrupt Canada for 5 inches of water?

Why is he lying about the middle ages warm period?

When it was warmer then than now vikings could farm in what is now permafrost, you had vinyards in england where its too cold, did the tower of london flood 1000 yrs ago? No!

Why is he lying that the polar bears are drowning. I still have snow in my yard and while there are polar bears in this province I doubt the .8 degrees if it happens will make the ice melt 1 day earlier in spring. Will 1 day kill them. Anyway the number of bears has gone up 25%.

I mean the whole hockey stick thing has been debunked the goof mann doesn't release data.

How bout if I say to you I know you owe me 10,000 rubles. you say you want proof and I submit to you mann never submitted any because people might think he's wrong. Like WTF.

If global warming was true why so many lies?


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they aren't lies they're discrepancies

did you read the article? a VERY IMPORTANT POINT is that the IPCC report was watered down by various government reps and seeing as the IPCC is like part of the UN america has leverage into how much info is released

if a guy has cancer and one doc gives him 3 months and another gives him a year it doesnt mean they're liars, it just means they disagree as too HOW BAD the problem is

whether you choose to listen to gore, who gets a little carried away sometimes, or to the IPCC there is one thing that is certain - Global Warming exists and, we the people of this earth, are increasing it

your ecological standards are like up to speed with the Asian standards of the 90s - if that

after the supreme court ruling on climate change, and with the IPCC reports to back up the claims, you're gonna have to conform to int'l standards - Kyoto, the ISO 14001 (for companies), etc

your companies are gonna get hit hard by this, but better now than never, the longer you don't conform, the harder it'll be to do so when you do
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Post by Buzzy Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:41 pm

Remember, when a socialist lies it's just a discrepancy.

The Global Warming theory is full of such discrepancies. It's a half assed theory based on a flawed model from a very short period of air samples by scientists who were paid to reach a certain conclusion so that failing European corporations can somehow compete with American corporations once again.

Not all scientists are in agreement with the theory of man made Global Warming but that doesn't seem to matter. In fact, more scientists disagree with it or state that they are unsure of the theory than agree with it but that doesn't seem to matter.

And the secret weapon to save our planet from CO2 is carbon offsets. That's right folks, pollute all you want send Al Gore and his buddies your hard earned dollars so you don't have to feel guilty. Of course they don't' actually plant any trees or even save trees in the Amazonian jungle from being cut down but you'll feel so much better with Al Gore spending your money.

Next will come a whole raft of "green taxes" which won't plant trees or save trees either but will line the pockets of many more people with political agendas.

Meanwhile back on the ranch all the mega corporations are moving their factories to the third world where they're exempt from the Kyoto treaty and can pollute all they want and pay people near to nothing for their labor.

Just Al Gore's way of saying "death to America"
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Post by GD2GO Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:28 am

If CO2 is a problem then why don't concerned liberals stop exhaling?
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Post by Popov Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:24 pm

Buzzy wrote:Remember, when a socialist lies it's just a discrepancy.

The Global Warming theory is full of such discrepancies. It's a half assed theory based on a flawed model from a very short period of air samples by scientists who were paid to reach a certain conclusion so that failing European corporations can somehow compete with American corporations once again.

what does that have to do with anything? the scientists are funded by various agencies from around the world and come from basically every UN country, including your own, and people seriously, stop with the conspiracy theories already

Not all scientists are in agreement with the theory of man made Global Warming but that doesn't seem to matter. In fact, more scientists disagree with it or state that they are unsure of the theory than agree with it but that doesn't seem to matter.

what? what are you talking about, do i have to refer you back to the IPCC report? and i suppose that the supreme court is also somehow being run by struggling european corps, and that the scientists who speak out against this "load of crap" are being taken out by ex-KGB agents or something, or maybe the europeans are paying the american media to ignore them....

And the secret weapon to save our planet from CO2 is carbon offsets. That's right folks, pollute all you want send Al Gore and his buddies your hard earned dollars so you don't have to feel guilty. Of course they don't' actually plant any trees or even save trees in the Amazonian jungle from being cut down but you'll feel so much better with Al Gore spending your money.


Carbon offsetting makes up something like 2% of his plan, it is only a small solution, what he proposes is living greener in general - buying light bulbs that are energy efficient and last longer, switching to biofuels, riding a bike or walking when you can (oh yeah... that Al Gore is up to something if he's suggesting exercise to save the planet, it's all a big commie conspiracy i tell you!!!!) and so forth

Next will come a whole raft of "green taxes" which won't plant trees or save trees either but will line the pockets of many more people with political agendas.

ok so now Al Gore is faking a problem with global warming, along with thousands of reputed scientists around the world to get your taxes????? wtf i mean c'mon, you're smarter than that, this sounds as far off as the propaganda the nazis used against the jews back in the day, like how they were all united to rob us blind and crap

Meanwhile back on the ranch all the mega corporations are moving their factories to the third world where they're exempt from the Kyoto treaty and can pollute all they want and pay people near to nothing for their labor.

China has higher environmental standards than you, that's right CHINA, the corporations move there because of the cost of labor, not because of kyoto, why would they move? america, up until recently didn't give a crap about Kyoto, and yet so many major corps have been outsourcing for the past 10-15 years.

Just Al Gore's way of saying "death to America"

and why the fixation on Gore? he rounded up some facts 2 YEARS AGO - thus the discrepancies with CURRENT REPORTS and made a presentation??? your theories are really bizarre man, it's like European companies, Al Gore and a couple thousand scientists all got together to destroy you, i mean c'mon, lay off the coffee or whatever your poison is
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Post by GD2GO Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:31 pm

Popov, I take it you and the rest of your lunatic fringe global wamists are still exhaling.
You're all a bunch of hypocrites.
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